Arguing with a Non-vegan at Speakers’ Corner

Arguing with a Non-vegan at Speakers’ Corner


Non-vegan: No, I love animals, I love animals
very much, but I love humans much more than animals, and if I have to kill every single
animal on Earth to save human civilization and humankind, then I will do, if I have the
power to. Me: And then let oppression continue forever
more? Because humans are the only species that oppress. Non-vegan: It doesn’t matter… Me: Oppression doesn’t matter? Non-vegan: You are the same species, the same
species is more important than any other species. Me: No, it’s not. Non-vegan: It is. Look, this guy, if he had a choice between
keeping all the animals alive on Earth and killing all humans, he would choose to kill
all humans, with no question asked. Me: So, if humans go extinct: say goodbye
to holocausts, say goodbye to slave trades, say goodbye to ISIS, all terrorism would end… Non-vegan: So what? Me: “So what?!” Non-vegan: I will choose slave trade and holocaust… Me: Why?! Non-vegan: …and everything, before humans
go extinct. Vegan: That’s immoral
Non-vegan: Because we need to keep existing. That’s the point of life. Me: No it’s not. It’s to help others, mate. Non-vegan: Here we go. Non-vegan: The whole point of the vegans is
that you don’t need to harvest animals to survive, which, fair enough, it’s true, but
my point is: their reasoning for it is flawed, because they don’t want to kill animals because
it doesn’t feel nice, it doesn’t feel nice to kill those animals. Me: Basic concept of justice. Non-vegan: Huh? Me: Not harming others who don’t wanna be
harmed. Non-vegan: You see, that’s your problem… Me: There’s no problem… Non-vegan: …you are dictating justice to
other people… Me: That’s what good people do. Non-vegan: No they don’t. Me: So what would you have said during World
War II, during the Holocaust? What would you have said while that happened? Non-vegan: Listen, if good people dictate
their justice to others, then the Nazis were good people, because they were dictating their
justice to everybody else. Me: So you’d have just said: “The Nazis…
just leave them to what they do…” Non-vegan: No I wouldn’t. That’s what you’d say. Me: No I wouldn’t. I’d have said, “This is an injustice.” Vegetarian guy: So how will you make more
people become vegan? What do you think is a good way of doing that? Me: Educational activism. Non-vegan: Indoctrination. Me: Indoctrination, mate, is what YOU’RE spewing
here. Non-vegan: I’m not indoctrinated. Me: Yes you are. You’ve been told from day one that you’re
superior to all life on Earth, and that your taste buds are superior to all life on Earth. You even told me a moment ago that dogs feel
pain and are intelligent, but pigs and cows aren’t. Non-vegan: Yeah, they do, but less than dogs. Me: Well, no… that’s indoctrination. Non-vegan: No it’s not. Me: That is absurd. You pulled that fact out of thin air. Non-vegan: Listen… chimpanzees are more
intelligent than cows. Dolphins are more intelligent than cows. Me: I notice how you don’t eat those animals…
that’s convenient. The animals you DON’T eat are all conveniently
intelligent and feel pain… Non-vegan: It’s the other way around! Me: …and the animals you DO eat are magically
not intelligent and don’t feel any pain. Non-vegan: I don’t eat them because they’re
NOT intelligent. Me: No it’s not, because pigs are intelligent. And in China, you’d be telling me that we
should eat dogs. Non-vegan: We don’t eat sparrows as often
as we eat chickens, because chickens are fucking dumb. Me: No, it’s because chickens have been bred
to be obese, and it’s profitable… Non-vegan: That too. Me: …it’s for greed and profit. Vegetarian guy: What have you got against
veganism? Non-vegan: Their arguments are shit. Me: No they’re not. YOUR arguments are. Non-vegan: Their arguments are, “Don’t eat
animals, because eating animals isn’t nice. Because animals are thinking, feeling beings.” Yeah, they are… so I think we should treat
them better. You know, there are many videos of animals
being treated very badly in slaughterhouses, and I think we should… Me: And we should farm you! And treat you nicely! Before we kill and eat you. And before we eat you, we’ll be nice to you. Non-vegan: …because the stress the animal
feels, reflects on the meat, so if you eat the meat of an animal that is very stressed,
that is in pain, it’s not good, and… Me: So we’ll make sure not to stress you,
before we eat you. And it’ll be okay. Non-vegan: See that’s the problem… you don’t
see humans as the priority. You see animals as the priority. Me: And YOUR problem is that you see your
own taste buds as the priority. Non-vegan: No, I see HUMANS as a priority. Me: Why do you eat meat? Non-vegan: Because it’s very nutritions, because
it tastes good, it gives you protein, it gives you certain things that… Me: So where does protein come from? Non-vegan: …are more difficult to find in
plants. Me: No. The average vegan gets 70% ABOVE the recommended
daily allowance for protein every single day. There are vegan ATHLETES, and you’re complaining
about your protein intake? You’re not an athlete. Non-vegan: Well, you don’t know, I might be
an athlete. Me: One of the world’s strongest men, Patrik
Baboumian, okay, he can lift the weight of a horse. The only reason you eat meat, sir, is because
you enjoy the way it tastes. And that’s not an okay argument. Non-vegan: Dude, those are very few exceptions. Vegetarian guy: That’s the only argument he
needs. I mean, I don’t eat meat. But I understand that if he says meat because
he likes the taste, it doesn’t matter what you tell him about the protein, e.g. that
he can get it from plants… if he bases it on taste, he’s gonna stick with the meat. Me: I know he is. But that’s selfish. Non-vegan: Well then, again, what’s the problem,
man? If you treat the animals well, it doesn’t
matter. I know people who are very against bullfights…
and honestly, I just find them boring. You know, they are just sticking these things
into the poor bull. I lived in Portugal my whole life. I don’t like them, in all honesty… it’s
just torturing the poor animal… Me: Oh, is that not an EMOTIONAL argument? Non-vegan: Okay, listen, now to the real argument:
the bulls that are being abused in bullfights have the best life amonst animals ever. All their life, they live in open spaces,
they run around and do whatever they want. They are free. Me: So that makes it okay? Non-vegan: Then just one day, they bring them
in front of the crowd, they kill them, and they eat them… that’s it. Me: So you support it? Non-vegan: I don’t support it, but I also
don’t oppose it. I just want to make you think a little bit…
how would the bull’s life be if he was not harvested by humans? He would be living in fear his whole… Me: No, he wouldn’t be bred. They bred him into existence for the sole
purpose of torturing him. Non-vegan: Yeah, but listen… if people never
bred him… his ancestors… you know about it, because
of selective breeding… they would be living in the wild, and life in the wild can be very
ruthless. Me: As ruthless as what we’re doing to animals
now? Have you seen slaughterhouse footage? Non-vegan: I just told you that I don’t agree
with how animals are treated in slaughterhouses. Me: So are you gonna stop eating animal products
until the conditions get better? Non-vegan: No. I want them to treat animals better… Me: Then it’s a phony argument. Because you’re still eating these products
while saying… Non-vegan: So what? Me: So you’re pretending to care. Non-vegan: If they treat the animals better,
and they give them a clean death… I don’t care if they kill them. Vegetarian guy: Because he loves the taste
of them. Me: Because he loves the taste, and that’s
all he’s gonna say, “Oh oh yeah, as long as the animals are treated nice”, and he’s just
gonna eat them anyway. Non-vegan: …just because I said that, it
sounds very selfish? Dude, people have been eating animals forever. Me: People have been raping forever. Non-vegan: Here we go again… Me: It’s an ‘appeal to tradition fallacy’. Non-vegan: Raping ruins the society… Me: So does eating animals… Non-vegan: No it doesn’t. Me: Ah… so if eating animals DID ruin society,
would you stop? Non-vegan: If eating animals ruined society,
I would stop eating animals. Me: And if rape DIDN’T ruin society, would
you rape? Non-vegan: Here we go again… Me: Ah, but that’s the basis for your argument. Non-vegan: Rape would ruin the society, because
you need to treat others as others are treating you. Me: Do animals qualify as others? Non-vegan: HUMANS. Humans are your equals. Animals are not. Me: Yes they are. Non-vegan: No they are not. Me: I think an animal is superior to you,
so yeah… Non-vegan: This guy believes all animals are
superior to me, that’s the problem. Non-vegan: Plants eat animals. Plants eat animals. Me: So? So you’re now getting your morality from plants? Yet you claim humans are the superior species? Non-vegan: No, I’m getting my morality from
humans, but you’re saying animals are better than humans. Me: They are. No animal has ever committed slavery, the
Holocaust, etc. There’s no animals in ISIS. Humans are worse than animals. If you removed all humans from the planet,
everything would improve: the air, the oceans, the rainforests, the mountains, the soil. If you removed all ants from the planet, the
whole ecosystem would COLLAPSE. And you have the gall to think we’re superior. Non-vegan: Yeah but who will be there to perceive
the world? Who would be there to see it? Me: Well what’s your perception of the world? Non-vegan: My perception of the world is what
I see. It’s what I see that the world is. Me: And that’s trivial in comparison to the
amount… Non-vegan: There is nobody to admire the world,
nobody to see it. Me: That’s trivial. It doesn’t matter. That’s completely trivial. Non-vegan: It isn’t trivial. Me: So you’re putting your enjoyment of looking
at a beautiful hill…. Non-vegan: A rock without any life is the
same as this planet. With all the sentient beings. Me: Hundreds of billions of animals are being
brutally abused in slaughterhouses every single year, and you’re saying your right to look
at a beautiful bit of scenery is more important than that? Non-vegan: No. I’m saying that life is more important than
the lack of suffering. Life with suffering and without suffering… I will always choose that before lack of life
or death. Me: No. I would always choose non-existence. So not bringing someone into existence. Non-vegan: But that’s boring. Vegetarian guy: To YOU it’s boring! Me: I think the anti-vegan arguments are boring! Non-vegan: Come on, guys, are we really having
this argument? Me: I’m not so egotistical that I think… Non-vegan: See that’s the problem with nowadays. People see themselves as insignificant. As simple plastic bags floating in the wind. Me: In the grand scheme of things, you ARE
insignificant. Non-vegan: Why don’t you live for veganism? I disagree with you, but that’s, you know,
a talking point. Me: Why are you important to this planet?
Convince me. Convince me that you’re important. Non-vegan: Because I perceive this planet. Vegetarian: That’s it. Me: I don’t care. Sardar: *laughs*
Me: Nobody cares. Non-vegan: But that’s all you need. You don’t need to care. Have you hear of solipsism? Me: No. Non-vegan: I might not exist. You might not exist. Maybe the only being that exists on Earth
is this guy. *Points at Sardar*
Me: That would be a shitty world. Sardar: *Laughs*
Non-vegan: …and all of us are just fragments of his imagination, of the dream that he’s
seeing. Sardar: You’re tripping me out now! Non-vegan: Maybe it’s him, maybe it’s me,
maybe it’s whoever of us. Maybe what we see is not actual reality. But the fact that we perceive it, makes us
exist! Even if everything is a lie, we exist. Somehow, we exist. And that’s more important… Me: So you’re justifying animal abuse based
on all these trivial things? Non-vegan: Listen… if you want to completely
destroy all abuse, pain, and suffering… you need to destroy all predators, all life… Me: I can’t talk to animals. I can have a rational conversation with you. But you’re still not listening. Non-vegan: Am I not listening? Me: You want to say that vegan arguments are
bullshit… Non-vegan: Pain and suffering for you are
the main evils that need to be erased, right? Me: Yeah. Non-vegan: But animals will have pain and
suffering without humans. Me: But there’s nothing I can do about the
wild animal suffering. But I CAN come to Speakers’ Corner and talk
to people about how THEY can stop THEIR participation in animal suffering. Non-vegan: I don’t get your point now… you
kind of lost me there. Me: The point is that I can come here to talk
to you, because I can have a conversation with you, to get YOU to eliminate your consumption
of animal products and reduce suffering. I can’t talk to a fox, or a lion, or a bear. I can’t talk to them and get them to stop
eating animals. I CAN talk to you. Non-vegan: Well, you see: that we are not
the same as foxes, and lions, and wolves. Me: We’re not. And that’s why I’m not talking to them. I’m talking to you. Vegetarian guy: If you decided not to eat
meat, would it be so bad in your eyes? Non-vegan: No. I would survive. Vegetarian guy: So what’s the problem then? Non-vegan: Because I don’t agree with his
reasoning. Sardar: Do you think animals matter? Non-vegan: If he wants to make me make a change
that big in my life, he needs to give some damn good arguments to make me stop. Me: I’ve given you them, and you just say
they’re shit! Non-vegan: Dude, are you seriously expecting
me to listen to what you’re about to say if you’re saying that you prefer animals to humans? Me: Okay, let’s pretend I don’t. Let’s pretend I love humans. Hello everyone, my lovely fellow man, I love
you all. Go. Argue with me about veganism. Go. I love humans. Go. Non-vegan: You love humans? Me: Yep. I love ’em. Sardar: Do you think animals matter? Non-vegan: They do. Me: And so do humans! I love them so much. Sardar: So why should we reduce them into
sandwiches when we don’t need to? Do they matter more than your taste buds? Non-vegan: Oh here we go again, the same argument… Me: Well refute it then. Sardar: Do they matter more than vanity? Do they matter more than clothing? Non-vegan: More than clothing? Well, that’s how we began having clothing. Sardar: But do we need to do it now? Today? Non-vegan: Today, nowadays? Probably not. Sardar: So to reduce them into clothing would
be cruel? Non-vegan: Yeah, there’s no BIG reason to
eat animals. But there’s also no BIG reason to NOT eat
animals. Me: Then there’s no big reason for me not
to slit humans’ throats. Sardar: But you said they matter? Non-vegan: They do matter. Sardar: So if they matter, why can’t we leave
them alone? Non-vegan: But animals don’t matter to each
other. Sardar: Do they matter to themselves? Non-vegan: Animals don’t perceive things as
if something will matter to them. Sardar: Do they matter to themselves? Non-vegan: No they don’t. Vegetarian guy: I’m still disturbed by your
argument where you compare the consumption of animals to that of genocide. To what happened to the Jews. How do you correlate the two? I have problems understanding that correlation. Me: So we’re all sentient beings, we all suffer,
and we’re all equally capable of being oppressed. So animals are victims as much as humans are. If you can name a trait animals have, that
if a human had that trait you could do those things to humans, I wanna hear that trait. Do you see what I’m saying? So a lot of people say, “Well we’re more intelligent
than animals”. So I would say to them, “Okay, so if a human
DID have the intelligence of a pig, would it be okay to herd THAT human into a gas chamber? Of course no, it wouldn’t. So the reason we harm animals and we DON’T
call it oppression is completely arbitrary… Sardar: It’s just, “they’re different”. Me: Yeah. All it is is: intelligence, the way they look…
this is how oppression works anyway. The reason black people were oppressed in
slavery is because they LOOK different to white people. The reason Jews were oppressed in the Holocaust
is because Hitler thought they were “different to my own kind”. The root of all oppression is the idea that,
“they’re not us. Their life doesn’t matter as much as ours”. And that’s why we’re vegan. Sardar: But you don’t even have to see animals
and humans as equal… you can say animals are inferior to us. We just have to see them as more important
than our taste buds, than our enjoyment. Me: Look at these cute little dogs, mate. What would you do if someone slit one of their
throats? Non-vegan: Dude, don’t change conversation… Me: …and ate them, and then used your arguments? What would you do? Non-vegan: I don’t like the Yulin festival. Sardar: Why not? What’s wrong with Yulin? Non-vegan: Because dogs are more useful alive
than dead. Me: What does that even mean? Sardar: But surely it’s not based on usefulness? Non-vegan: It’s not like they are killing
the dog and cooking it. They are cooking the dog alive. I am always against that. Sardar: So it’s the cruelty involved? Non-vegan: Yes, and for me that’s the main
reason, why I don’t like it. Do you feel good when watching something suffer? Sardar: SOMEONE. Non-vegan: I don’t feel good when watching
someone suffer. Me: Well then don’t fund it. Sardar: They are individuals. Aren’t they? Non-vegan: They are not individuals… Sardar: They have personality traits. Non-vegan: Some of them do. But look, that’s how nature works. It’s a constant struggle between different
species. Vegetarian guy: But what says it’s in your
nature to eat another animal? Non-vegan: It’s just how nature works. Me: We’re not a part of nature. Non-vegan: We are omnivorous beings. We are not herbivorous. Our intestines… they are not herbivorous. Me: They actually are. Non-vegan: No they’re not. Me: Your intestine could small intestine,
if they took that out and unravelled it, would stretch out further than that tree there. Non-vegan: Not quite. Me: Even further. It would. Non-vegan: Well I don’t believe it would until
there, but I know that it’s very long. Carnivorous animals don’t have that short
of intestines… Me: They do. Non-vegan: They’re like that. Me: Yeah… and yours could go from here to
the tree. In any case, our biology doesn’t give us an
excuse to harm someone else when we don’t need to. Non-vegan: Yes it does. Me: No, because me and him have the same biological
make-up as you, and yet we are living without exploiting animals, so why can’t you? Non-vegan: But you are omnivorous. Me: It doesn’t matter. It’s an appeal to nature. Non-vegan: You would be carnivorous beings
unless some really intense evolution would take place, you would still be a carnivorous
being. Bears can survive by eating only plants. But do they eat only plants? No. They need meat in their diet. Me: But we don’t. And we’re living proof of that. This guy hasn’t eaten meat for longer than
I haven’t! I’ve only been vegan for 5 years… this guy
hasn’t eaten meat for how long, sir? Vegetarian guy: 21 years. Me: 21 years! And you’re saying we need to eat meat? Non-vegan: There are consequences to that. Me: What’s the consequences to this gentleman? Is he gonna drop dead? Non-vegan: Obviously he’s not. Me: Look at the guns, bro! 20 years, this guy. Non-vegan: You’re looking good, man, looking
fit. But it has been proven that it is healthier
to have at least SOME meat, or some fish, or some kind of animal product in your diet. Me: Can I refer you to a study that disproves
that? Non-vegan: Go ahead. Me: So it’s called ‘The China Study’, and
it’s the most comprehensive nutritional study in human history. Non-vegan: Well ‘China studies’ are not very
trustworthy… Me: Well it was done by Oxford University
and Cornell University, in association with Chinese government scientists. And their conclusion was that the optimum
diet for human health is what’s called a ‘whole foods plant-based diet’… so that means no
animal products…. but fruits, vegetables, and no processed foods like oils, refined
sugars. So that’s not even the diet I eat… I eat vegan junk food (crisps, vegan donuts,
mock meats)… so I’m not saying that’s MY diet. But the optimum diet for human health is a
whole foods plant-based diet. So no animal products and just whole foods:
so foods that ARE ingredients and not food that HAS ingredients. Vegetarian: So what was it? What was the stuff you mentioned there? Me: So a whole foods plant-based diet. And Sardar gave you a card earlier which might
have that on it, or it might even have the Forks Over Knives documentary, which is based
on that… so you can watch the FOK documentary, which is based on the China Study. Give it a watch, Netflix or whatever. It’s eye-opening stuff. Because it’s all very corporate… what we
know about nutrition. Think about it: as soon as I say, “calcium”…
what do you guys think of immediately? Both guys: Cheese, milk, etc. Me: See, that’s the dairy industry, putting
out clever marketing throughout our whole lives, trying to get you to associate that
nutrient with their product… Non-vegan: No it’s not… people have drank
milk way before any kind of marketing. Me: Yes, yes, but the association of CALCIUM
to it is a clever marketing tactic. Non-vegan: Okay because people didn’t know
about calcium during the Middle Ages, for example… Me: No… but plants contain calcium. Vegetarian guy: Which plants? Me: A good lot of plants contain calcium,
but ones that are PARTICULARLY high in calcium are things like leafy greens, figs, almonds…
oranges, actually, have a decent amount of calcium… flax seeds… but we just associate
it with milk… and it’s the same with vitamin C. If I say “vitamin C”, everyone thinks “oranges”. Again, marketing. So the orange companies said, “Let’s get people
to associate that vitamin with our product, and that’s what the dairy industry has done
with calcium. You can get calcium from the Earth. We’re the only species who drinks milk after
weaning. It’s baby food. You don’t need it. Vegetarian guy: All of that makes sense, but
I think he’ll still keep eating meat. Me: He will! There’s nothing I can do or say today that
will change this gentleman. Non-vegan: You guys need to give me better
reasons than those. Me: I’ve given you great reasons. That you don’t NEED to eat any animal products…
so why cause suffering when you don’t need to? Non-vegan: No, again, I never said that I
COMPLETELY disagree with you guys. As I said before, I think animals should be
treated much better in terms of the food industry. Me: But then to be consistent with your argument,
you need to stop eating animal products UNTIL these ideal conditions are in place that you
want. But you’re not gonna do that… so surely
it’s a disingenuous argument? Non-vegan: That’s kind of a fallacy, because
when one person stops eating meat to make animals be treated better, it won’t change
much. If EVERYONE stops eating meat, that will change
a lot. But you can’t make everyone stop eating meat. Some people just need lots of protein quickly. Some people work in construction or something. My father, for example, he worked in construction,
and he was telling me he needed to eat some meat to keep him working physically… Me: He could eat nuts, which are high in protein. Non-vegan: Listen, in theory you can, but
in practise, you can’t. Me: Look at this guy’s arms again. Non-vegan: Okay, he looks good. But do you work in construction? Me: Why does it matter? I think he could. Non-vegan: It matters a lot. Vegetarian guy: I did do once, and I swore
to never again. Me: No, but you were capable of doing it. Non-vegan: You do need some meat if you work
in construction. Me: Why would you NEED meat? Non-vegan: But you do need nutrients. Me: Mate, ANY vegan can work in construction. You don’t need to eat meat to work in construction. Non-vegan: I believe it will be harder. I heard from many people that work in it that
they need to eat some meat. Me: They’re anecdotes. Non-vegan: Not really anecdotes. I think it really kind of depends from person
to person. I think usually, you need to eat some meat. Me: But why would you need to eat meat when
so many plants are so high in protein? Humans don’t even need that much protein. Our protein needs are massively over-hyped
anyway. As long as you’re eating the bare minimum
calories every day, you’ll get enough protein. Non-vegan: Okay, man, answer me something…
can humans eat grass? Me: Well it’d be hard to digest… it’s too
high in cellulose. Non-vegan: It would be IMPOSSIBLE to digest. Humans can’t digest grass. Cows can, because they have specific bacteria
in their stomach… Me: Can you eat raw chicken? Because all omnivores can. Non-vegan: You can, but you might get a disease. You can eat raw beef, and you won’t get a
disease. Me: Yeah but raw chicken we can’t, and all
omnivores can. Non-vegan: No, it’s the kind of meat that
matters. Raw chicken is prone to giving you a disease. Beef doesn’t if you eat it raw, or if you
drink a raw egg, you might get a disease. Me: So the solution? Don’t eat grass! Neither me or Sardar eat grass. This gentleman doesn’t eat grass. Non-vegan: You’re missing my point. My point is that you can eat raw beef but
you can’t eat raw grass, you can’t eat leaves, you can’t eat that kind of stuff. That means you are more carnivorous than herbivorous. Me: It doesn’t matter. YOU would get a disease if you ate raw chicken. Non-vegan: Yes but it’s the kind of meat… Me: And it’s the kind of plant! Non-vegan: If you eat a poisonous plant, you
would die! Me: And that’s the same with a herbivore,
but that doesn’t mean they’re NOT a herbivore… if a cow ate a poison plant they’d die! Non-vegan: You guys are trying to make humans
go vegan because humans are successful. If, for example, another omnivorous being
became the main species on Earth and became the dominant force on Earth, you would hate
against them because they were too successful for their own good. Me: No, I would hate them if they were in
the position we’re in now and they continued to harm others when they didn’t HAVE TO. So yes, I WOULD hate foxes if they because
the dominant species on Earth and instead of using science to stop eating animals, like
we can, they continued to do it. Non-vegan: You can’t just stop being a carnivore. Vegetarian guy: You can. Me: YOU could stop being one. Non-vegan: I could because I’m an omnivorous
being. I’m not a carnivore. A bear could stop eating meat, because he’s
an omnivorous being… but a fox can’t. Me: Foxes are actually omnivores. Non-vegan: If there’s a big amount of evolution
going on then it might go omnivorous and then maybe… Vegetarian guy: Well you’ve just answered
your own question. Because you are an omnivore, you can actually
go down his path. Non-vegan: Yeah, I can, but again, the problem
with humans, is that they are very successful. They are at the top of the food chain. And you’re saying if we’re this successful,
we can stop eating meat. Me: Yeah. Non-vegan: I don’t think that’s fair. Me: Why is it not fair? Non-vegan: Because there are carnivorous beings
who keep eating animals and you are not attacking them. Me: I can avoid harming women, so I choose
to avoid harming women. Non-vegan: Why are you comparing women to
animals? Me: Why can’t I compare anyone to animals? What’s wrong with that? Because they’re sentient beings. But you think humans are so superior… Non-vegan: So what about monkeys, can I start
calling people a monkey? Me: Well it might be an insult to THEM, but
we ARE comparable to monkeys! Non-vegan: Okay, we are, because our ancestors
are apes. Vegetarian guy: No, that’s not what he’s saying. He used the term “sentient beings”… that’s
why he sees other animals the same as us. Because we are sentient beings. Because the truth of the matter is, he eats
meat because he loves the taste. So it doesn’t matter what reason you give:
he loves eating a chicken burger, so he’s still gonna eat the chicken burger. Me: And that’s the problem. There’s no getting through to him. Because he puts his taste buds above others. Sardar: Digging his heels in! Me: But you sound like a compassionate bloke
to me, sir. I think you should check out the documentary
‘Land of Hope and Glory’. On YouTube. It’s about British farming. And after it, you might say to yourself, “Why
does it make sense that I’m funding any of this? Eggs, dairy… we can live without oppressing
and harming others.” Vegetarian guy: You guys use the ‘Cube of
Truth’? Me: YEAH! I’m the London organiser! Vegetarian guy: Okay! So is there a cubeoftruth.com where I can
find… Sardar: That’s right, yeah! cubeoftruth.com
Me: And it’s got resources on the site. You can look into veganism. Sardar: I’ve actually got a card on me if
you want… Vegetarian guy: Yeah, yeah! Please, I will take one. Me: Cos I know you think this guy’s arguments
don’t make sense. Vegetarian guy: *shakes head* thank you very
much. Maybe I should join up and be a lot more active. Because I live the life… I haven’t eaten meat in 21 years. I wouldn’t call myself a vegan even though
I don’t drink milk or eat eggs, because I still have a leather belt and a leather jacket,
so that’s why I don’t call myself a vegan. Me: Yeah. And you can easily phase those out. We’ve got synthetics available. So you don’t have to wear the skins of others
at all. Humans CLAIM to be the most advanced and intelligent
species on Earth, yet we have people like this saying we can’t MOVE PAST using animals
for food, clothing and entertainment. Sardar: We are spoilt for choice. Vegetarian guy: I think the only point he
has was that he loves the taste… but then when he started going into some pseudo-intellectual… [END]